Spending an extra $300 a month on SEO?

Originally Posted by soletrader

I am aiming for two keywords only for starters. I should link build with those keywords? Im sorry I dont quite understand how I should use the keywords to gain ranking.

I think you're going about this thre wrong way.

Page rank, really, means Jack. don't set a PR number as a goal.
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Jumping in late to this thread so a whole bunch of multiquote use going on here

Originally Posted by soletrader

Is it worth spending an extra $300 on SEO if you already own vbseo?

If you're in a lucrative market like forex, that should be an easy yes answer.

Originally Posted by soletrader

Thanks Joe, I looked into TD2MAN's service but his costs $490 for 7 hours while I can pay $900 for 3 months. At this moment I don't find either service economical.

3 points here.

1st, you're not comparing apples to apples. Michael doesn't do any link building and the other guys do. Then again, the other guys sound like they'll either be trying to figure out vBulletin/vbseo or they'll be doing all onsite seo via static pages. You'll be creating the content for those static pages. Michael's work is really an extention of vbseo. Kinda like vbseo on steroids. The bonus is that his work keeps paying dividends as members create new content in your forums. The other guys onpage work doesn't take advantage of that.

2nd, with Michael, you're getting all the value up front. Would you really rather spread out benefits over 90 days than get a lot done right now?

3rd, you're kidding yourself if you think you'll succeed in forex without spending some $$ on seo. Lot of seo-savvy people in that market, people who think $490 for better seo is a pittance.

Originally Posted by soletrader

Anyone know what exactly T2DMAN does? How does it help? Will I be able to see keywords on first pages of googel?

He does a lot of stuff & it's all documented on his site. That's pretty much what he did for me although we got into different stuff since I'm not a seo newbie.

I see thousands of 1st page rankings on Google. His work helped that happen.

Originally Posted by mdvaldosta

You'd be better off just getting someone to do link building for you, after you select your targetted keywords first. vBSEO does 95% of the on page stuff for you already.

Important point. You gotta do some link building so don't think that you can just pay T2DMan (or anybody) one time and you're set forever. And Joe, vbseo can do alot of the on-page but no seo hack is maximized straight out of the box. That keeps becoming more evident as I get a better grasp of both vb & the vbseo software. vbseo is a tool, and like any tool, some people know how to get more benefit out of that same tool.

Part of knowing how to get more out of vbseo comes from Michael's experinece in tweaking many vb/vbseo boards.

Originally Posted by briansol

Page rank, really, means Jack. don't set a PR number as a goal.

While PR certainly doesn't hold the power that it used to back in the day, I think it does mean jack. If nothing else, Google allocates spidering resources in direct correlation with PR. So if you've got a site with a bunch of pages (like a.. umm... forum maybe?), you better have a good bit of PR if you want to get the most out of those pages.

But I agree, you shouldn't set a static goal on PR. Like most everything else in seo, you just need more.

Good luck, Ross

Ask the guy to show you his home page. Look at what his page is about (SEOing?). Do a search on Google, Yahoo, MSN. I'd bet a buck he isn't even in the top 3 pages of Google.

I'd bet $2 his response will be that he "concentrates all his energy on his client' sites' which is why his site has been "neglected".

I'll be $3 that he will then show you a client's site that ranks #1 for some easy key word like "Bar Harbor Maine Electrician".

Run away! Run away!

Originally Posted by majordude

Ask the guy to show you his home page. Look at what his page is about (SEOing?). Do a search on Google, Yahoo, MSN. I'd bet a buck he isn't even in the top 3 pages of Google.

I'd bet $2 his response will be that he "concentrates all his energy on his client' sites' which is why his site has been "neglected".

I'll be $3 that he will then show you a client's site that ranks #1 for some easy key word like "Bar Harbor Maine Electrician".

Run away! Run away!

Actually Ive seen a complete list of his company websites. They are a IT company based in India. All his websites ranked first page on google. I was impressed. I will wait a bit on the SEO thing. For now, I will focus on link building. I just got an offer to submit my website to 50 PR5+ directories for $100. Is this reasonable or is this something I can do ony my own?

Also, thanks for the info RMJVOl. Very useful

Originally Posted by soletrader

All his websites ranked first page on google. I was impressed.

Those were his sites? For terms like "SEO", "search engine optimization", "high search ranking"?

If so, he is worth it (and I owe you $6!).

> SEO FREELANCE SERVICES - Google.co.in (#2), Yahoo.com(#1), MSN.co.in(#1)

-> SEO FREELANCING - Google.co.in (#2)

-> SEO FREELANCE - Google.co.in (#4)

-> SEO FREELANCING INDIA - Google.co.in (#7), Yahoo.com (#2)

-> SEO FREELANCE SERVICES INDIA - Yahoo.com (#3)

This is his current ranking. url is DNS IT Services, India SEO Freelance Services, Web Design, Software Development & more

What do you think?

One question: Where is he on google.com?

Another question: How many of your target market use google.in as their preferred SE?

I still see him on google.com first page near the bottom. mmmm.... this is tough deciding

First off, its an Indian extension. Secondly, "SEO Freelancing" is NOT one of the big keywords. That's like an Indian car company saying they are #1 in "seatbelts" and you think that's good because seatbelts sounds car related.

Pass.

Write articles, submit them, and get rankings that way.

Heck, pay people to write $300 worth of articles and sign your name to them.

...now give me back my $6.

hehehe.... okay we are fair now. Do you know of any good article submitting sites? Ive actually been writing alot of articles to submit to a financial network only to find out that there email is no longer working.

By the way, what do you think of the $100 for 50 PR5+ directory submission. But not guaranteed my link will be on a PR5 page.

Go with:

Article Distribution. Complete. Extensive. Quick. Article Marketer

50 PR5+ home pages isn't the same as a link on a single PR5 page.

This forum is a PR4 but this page is PR0. It isn't spidered.

Thanks for the link majordude! Are you a part of this? I just took a quick look and the lifetime membership sounds appealing.

Yes, they are very good. Another good one is Free Content Articles Distribution for Ezines or Websites - iSnare.com (go platinum - $59/mo - http://www.isnare.com/pbenefits.php).

You can use rentacoder.com for writers.

Originally Posted by soletrader

They are a IT company based in India. All his websites ranked first page on google.

Just to add a bit of my 1st hand experience here...

I used to help an Indian SEO firm sell their services. They'd get the leads & I'd close the deals. They had a core of about 3-4 seo's who were really pretty good for the price. The problem is that when they grew beyond what those seo's could do, they sucked. I stopped representing them when it was clear to me that they could not provide the same quality work anymore.

So be wary of the results they present. Just because they've been able to get results with other sites does not mean they can do it for you.

Plus, the results you listed were not impressive at all. There are some good services at cheap rates out there. You just have to keep digging. And it's harder if you're not experienced in seo enough to really understand what they did and how they did it.

Go with t2dman and get a decent link hunter. I'd steer clear of most "Submit to XX Directories" services.

Good luck, Ross

Thanks rmjvol I think i am going to pass on the SEO by the Indian firm. I have just purchased 340+ directory sumbission for $60 which seemed reasonable. Also, I may ask T2DMAN to optimize my website later on. I still need to do my homework. I just checked my indexed pages today and it seems google has just started to index my website.

I also just paid for lifetime fee at Article Distribution. Complete. Extensive. Quick. Article Marketer so I wil be submitting a ton of articles soon.