question about title tags

Hi everyone - my investing website at ROIC :: Phil Town & Rule #1, Warren Buffett, Benjamin Graham Value Investment Community has some pretty lengthy title tags, probably about 85 characters at the TLD, many more when in a subforum.

Problem is that the words in the Title tag are Highly relevant/descriptive keywords. I just dont know what I can do to trim it down. For example:

at my cmps/forums directories, the title is: ROIC :: Phil Town & Rule #1, Warren Buffett, Benjamin Graham Value Investment Community

in any of my forumsections, it gets even longer: Searching for a Rule #1 Investment - ROIC :: Phil Town & Rule #1, Warren Buffett, Benjamin Graham Value Investment Community

now, I know google only shows about 65 title characters in the search results and everything after that gets a "..."

am I being penalized by the search engines for these lengthy titles? If so, what options do I have to trim it down? Each of the keywords I use are highly relevant and descriptive to my niche. The only idea I had was to abbreviate terms and ending up with something like ROIC :: Phil Town & Rule #1, Buffett, Graham Value Investment Community but that hardly does me justice in terms of dropping characters. I also fear that it would have an adverse reaction to the relevancy of my page content.

What options do I have?

"is there any bodyyyy.........out there?"

I'd get rid of that part of the title on all of your forum display and thread display pages. The titles for those are best to be unique to the forum name and thread titles respectively to optimize for the thousands of terms that occur naturally in your thread postings.

Thanks for the reply! I assume I do that from the VBSEO control panel. Which option do i modify?

No, you would need to modify your templates, or change your site name as defined in vBulletin's options.

On the FORUMDISPAY and SHOWTHREAD templates, your suggestion to remove the "- $vboptions[bbtitle]" between the title tags seems to have worked. Thank you!