Pagerank for all my pages still 0 after two months

In november last year we switched from UBB.threads to Vbulletin and en few weeks later we started using VbSEO. Since we use VbSEO not much has changed. Our index page (www.tsjechie.net) still has the same pagerank as it had before (4) and all other pages, even the forums have no (0) pagerank.

I wonder how come.... What are we doing wrong or is it just a matter of time. (site excists since 2003). Any thougths ?

Originally Posted by Bellinis

In november last year we switched from UBB.threads to Vbulletin and en few weeks later we started using VbSEO. Since we use VbSEO not much has changed. Our index page (www.tsjechie.net) still has the same pagerank as it had before (4) and all other pages, even the forums have no (0) pagerank.

I wonder how come.... What are we doing wrong or is it just a matter of time. (site excists since 2003). Any thougths ?

Your other pages have got pagerank, it`s just not shown yet. The pagerank will be exported very soon I think as it is over 3 months since last time. My forum is also showing pr 0 on all other pages except the index, and it`s 5 years old.

Don't focus on PageRank. 1st, PageRank has MUCH less effect on ranking than it used to have. 2nd, vbseo has nothing to do with pagerank other than helping distribute it through your site and that's happening even though you can't see it yet.

Google calculates pagerank frequently but as Haakon mentioned, they only update the visible Page Rank via the toolbar once every 2-6 months.

You should focus on the pages that are indexed in the Search Engine's:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:tsjechie.net

and focus on your logs and the referrals that you get from the Search Engine's.

Good luck,
Ross

Originally Posted by rmjvol

Don't focus on PageRank. 1st, PageRank has MUCH less effect on ranking than it used to have. 2nd, vbseo has nothing to do with pagerank other than helping distribute it through your site and that's happening even though you can't see it yet.

PR still has a worthy effect on rankings. Also, if you advertise on your site (something besides adsense), PR is looked upon as a very important tool.

Originally Posted by sportsoutlaw

Page Ranking still has a worthy effect on rankings.

Right, never said it didn't. But the weight of PageRank was scaled back significantly over a year ago. It used to be a magic bullet, now it's just 1 of many factors in play in the ranking algo. So don't focus on PageRank, you need to be doing alot of other things right to win the seo game.

Originally Posted by sportsoutlaw

Also, if you advertise on your site (something besides adsense), Page Ranking is looked upon as a very important tool.

I'd disagree to some extent. I'd say it's only "very important" for 1) text link buyers and 2) people who mistakenly think that PageRank is an indicator of traffic. So sure, it's nice to have a high PageRank but it's not something that I'd recommend anyone to focus on. Besides, the TB PageRank we see isn't real PageRank, it's a delayed indication of real PR. Only the guys inside the Googleplex know the real PageRank of a document.

Google still allocates crawling priority by PR (as of Nov 2005 anyway) but the rankings take into account so many others factors. PR is just one of dozens of things to take into consideration. Thus...

don't focus on PR

(ugh, the auto replace swithches "Page R-a-n-k to "Page Ranking," why the use of the incorrect term? ahh, the space in the middle is the trigger... ugh, p-r is also converted...)

btw, it's long been a trick used by unscrupulous text link sellers and reciprocal link traders to temporarily inflate the Page Ranking of their target site with a short term Page Ranking buy, only to drop the buy after they've had an upward Page Ranking update.

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example: I have a dog of a site. I buy a single PR8 to point at it, costs me $350/month for, let's say, 6 months. Total spent: $2100.

In maybe 3 months, we get a TBPR (ToolBarPageRank) update & I now have a PR6 or PR7.

I sell links on my PR6or7 site for $75/month. I sell 10 links on my homepage, $750/month.

I stop my original PR8 buy after 6 months. It'll take 2-6 months til my TBPR drops from PR6or7. Some buyers won't even notice and will continue to buy links from my site indefinitely.

At the end of 6 months, I've profited $150 from just my homepage (total income of $2250). I could have been selling links on a bunch of other pages too so I've already cleared a nice profit.

My homepage continues to make $750/month for at least until my TBPR drops in a couple or 3 months.
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So if you do place importance on Page Ranking of a site linking to you, it's always best to do some digging on how that site got their PR. If backlink analysis shows they're getting most/all their PR from a single site or a small number of sites, you should consider the possibility of those links being removed after you make your deal. If the site has hundreds of quality backlinks, it's probably safe to assume they'll maintain their PR after your deal.

Then all you have to worry about is if/when Google will stop allowing the site to trasfer PR

I have heard opinions go both ways regarding PR, but never had anything concrete to make my own opinion on regarding it. In this thread, you state that it is devalued, and it may very well be. But, we dont know how much PR affects things such as deep crawls, but we know the higher it is, the better it will be for us.

While it shouldn't be a "focal point", it shouldnt be ignored. I dont think so anyway.

Anytime you get into seo, you'll get varying opinions. Experience, testing and gut feelings are how most people come up with their opinions. The worst opinions come from people who claim to be seo's but just read stuff & spout what they've read as gospel.

There's an excellent article that lists 1) importance of seo factors and 2) level of consensus on the factors by several recognized seo experts.
http://www.seomoz.org/articles/searc...ng-factors.php

You'll notice that there is not much that everybody agrees upon. Ask 10 seo's the same question & you'll get 18 answers

However, it's been a general consensus in the seo world that PageRank was devalued quite some time ago from the standpoint of scoring documents. It is absolutely still a factor but so is most of what's listed in the Google patent. (Anyone serious about seo should read that document and some of the discussions about it.)

Perhaps the most important thing that PageRank does for us is that Google sets priority for crawling/recrawling pages based upon PageRank. How do I know that? This guy said it November at a conference I attended. Matt usually chooses his words quite deliberately and I've been around him enough to believe he was telling the whole truth when he said it. So a higher PageRank does get you a better/deeper crawl.

But again, part of the core problem is that we don't know what actualPageRank is. Google won't tell us. The tool bar that shows the green pixels is not accurate, it may be a week old or it may be several months old, we don't know. A TBPageRank5 may really be a PageRank8 or it could really be a PageRank0.

So instead of focusing on TBPageRank value, it would make much more sense to focus on getting links from good quality sites. If I'm getting a link from a quality site, I really don't care what their PageRank is. I'm much more interested in the anchor text, the content on the page linking to me, the traffic that they get and the other outbound links on that page.