Interesting new SEO Mod? Fuzzy SEO for vB - Increase Long Tail Traffic Automatically!

Today a new seo hack is released on vbulletin.org:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=234192

What about this seo hack?
Will it be good for SEO?

Ha! I was just about to post this to see what everyone thinks about it.

I was under the impression that creating keyword landing pages is frowned upon in the search engine world. This is the only reason I haven't installed it yet.

Any thoughts on it?

To me, the concept is a bit cloudy...

in order to get the keywords, there already needs to be a SERP + click in to it.... which means you're already ranking for that term anyway.


He claims XXX% increases, yet his first post is asking for results.....


IMO, i'd stay away until there are some proven results.

Im the author of this plugin.

Ive seen the results on my 60+ wordpress sites, and had lots of positive feedback from the 4,000+ other installs its had on wordpress from its release on wordpress.org.

The strategy is well known in the SEO world (and has its detractors) - its been a long running discussion over at seoMoz as well: SEOmoz | YOUmoz - Improve the Long Tail - Wordpress Automated Query Insertion!

The reason Im asking for results to be posted is because this is the first time its been implemented on vbulletin, and in my opinion forums are absolutely prime targets for this type of optimization - given the high propensity for long tail anyway.

If you are interested, you can check out my history - I am a full time SEO and run search for one of Europe's largest ecommerce sites: About MOGmartin and SEOforums.org | SEO Blog from SEOforums.org

I welcome any discussion about this strategy

Originally Posted by Brian Cummiskey

To me, the concept is a bit cloudy...

here it is in a nutshell....

SO: at the beggining of the week I ranked 9th in google.com for the search term: "google hacked by china"

That EXACT keyword phrase did not however appear on my page (anywhere). Someone clicked through after searching for that, and now it DOES appear (exactly) on the page.

The ranking is now up to 3rd (google.com, searching from the UK is my control search FYI)

google hacked by china - Google Search


Multiply this by potentially 10,000s of thousands of searches, I feel that this could be a great asset to vbulletin sites.

thanks!

MOGmartin


(EDIT: my site is http://seoforums.org - and yes, I use vbseo!!)

Originally Posted by MOGmartin

here it is in a nutshell....

SO: at the beggining of the week I ranked 9th in google.com for the search term: "google hacked by china"

That EXACT keyword phrase did not however appear on my page (anywhere). Someone clicked through after searching for that, and now it DOES appear (exactly) on the page.

The ranking is now up to 3rd (google.com, searching from the UK is my control search FYI)

google hacked by china - Google Search


Multiply this by potentially 10,000s of thousands of searches, I feel that this could be a great asset to vbulletin sites.

thanks!

MOGmartin


(EDIT: my site is SEO Forum | SEO Tools | SEO Blog & SEO Marketplace! @ seoforums.org - and yes, I use vbseo!!)

What i don't understand is if it didn't appear on your page anywhere and it wasn't in your keywords or meta tags, how did it show in 9th place under the search anyway?

Originally Posted by Kiss Of Death

What i don't understand is if it didn't appear on your page anywhere and it wasn't in your keywords or meta tags, how did it show in 9th place under the search anyway?

because google is doing a good job of contectually matching the query with what that page is about. you see traffic from search terms all the time that arent mentioned on your site.

This plugin merely improves your position for what people are ACTUALLY searching for by detecting that information.

Originally Posted by MOGmartin

because google is doing a good job of contectually matching the query with what that page is about. you see traffic from search terms all the time that arent mentioned on your site.

This plugin merely improves your position for what people are ACTUALLY searching for by detecting that information.

Wouldn't this have a negative effect if your page was already ranked in top place anyway, for the keywords you are targeting

Not trying to bash your mod or anything just trying to understand it,

I've installed it on my forum , i only get an average of 20,000 page views per day so it's probly not the super forum that would be your ideal testing environment

I've removed the links to your seo site as i don't like the look of it and am not sure if mod works yet, it could just be a ploy to increase your own back links, but if it does work i will give you a permanent banner on the index page, we'll see in 4 weeks

It's seems like a good strategy, but exercising this practise too much wouldn't it get a bit penalized from google for using keywords not in main content?

I haven't tried your plugin, but i would if it was using the internal system of vbulletin's tag system and let me moderate the discovered keywords/phrases/tags.

Originally Posted by Kiss Of Death

Wouldn't this have a negative effect if your page was already ranked in top place anyway, for the keywords you are targeting

Not in my experience no - although when scribd.com removed this from their website, their search traffic decreased substantially, thats covered in my post at seomoz (I linked to it above)

Originally Posted by Kiss Of Death

Not trying to bash your mod or anything just trying to understand it,

I've installed it on my forum , i only get an average of 20,000 page views per day so it's probly not the super forum that would be your ideal testing environment

I've removed the links to your seo site as i don't like the look of it and am not sure if mod works yet, it could just be a ploy to increase your own back links, but if it does work i will give you a permanent banner on the index page, we'll see in 4 weeks

My "return" on releasing this to the general public is the links, my forum is new and I need all the promotion I can get!

If you do find it useful, which I am confident you will, a link somewhere would be nice!

Originally Posted by Dead_LAN

It's seems like a good strategy, but exercising this practise too much wouldn't it get a bit penalized from google for using keywords not in main content?

As your site is already appearing for the search phrases, this is very unlikely to happen...

Originally Posted by Dead_LAN

I haven't tried your plugin, but i would if it was using the internal system of vbulletin's tag system and let me moderate the discovered keywords/phrases/tags.

nope, it uses its own internal database, which it needs because it also tracks the clicks per keyword, clicks per keyword per day, and position the keyword was in when the user clicked it (under certain conditions).

In order to track that stuff it needs its own tables...

What happens when the number of words is reached? does it overwrite old tags with new ones if a more popular search term is found or does it just stop looking when it reached the limit?

Originally Posted by Kiss Of Death

What happens when the number of words is reached? does it overwrite old tags with new ones if a more popular search term is found or does it just stop looking when it reached the limit?

you can configure the number of keywords displayed in the settings, and it displays the most popular "x" keywords based on total traffic received for those keywords.

The reason it also tracks the serps for those keywords is so that you can optionally choose to display only keywords under a certain position. although that functionality isnt in this first release (it is in the wordpress version though, so I have the code, I just need to port it).

What happens after 10s or 100's or 1000s of variations of keywords end up on one landing page? Overwriting one could ruin the entire ranking only to start all over with the next in-click.

Originally Posted by Brian Cummiskey

What happens after 10s or 100's or 1000s of variations of keywords end up on one landing page?

only the top ones that receive the most traffic appear, the number that appear is configurable in the control panel.


if a keyword overtakes one thats in the list, it then appears.. all this happens dynamically.

I will implement definable logic in the next release, ie
"only appear if keyword position =>8" or
"only appear if results page =2" or
"only appear if total traffic on keyword = 10+"

Edit: did that answer your question, I think I might have missed your point..