The sandbox

Hi,

Ive had the software for several weeks now, and to say the least, its really beautiful software. I was going nuts trying to figure out why my site wasnt indexing well in google. Finaly figured i was in a sandbox.

Today, though was odd, as goolge crawled about 4000 pages today. Is this just because it wants to calculate page rank for other sites or calculate my page rank? Or does this mean i will finally get indexed by google (yes the pages in the index went up to 125, but thats happened a few times, and it usualy drops off to 2 or 3 after a few days).

*pokes* branding free option release date?

Thanks,
Pierce

Now its moved to over 6,000 pages in 2 days, does google suddenly feel like it wants to show my site some love?

Pierce

10 weeks old yesterday,

35 uniques over the last 7 days.

Pierce

Seems like you are off to an ok start for only 10 weeks. Hang in there. SEO takes time, but I'm sure you will begin to reap even more rewards soon enough.

Im happy, the vbSEO has done wonders, even though google is the big one, MSN and Yahoo are starting to kick in it will all gain momentum!

Pierce

You know, ive tried to research this topic.

But grey aera doesnt even cover it, its more Outer Limits and "Twilight zone" stuff.

When i setup a website last year, it took about 2 months to get indexed by google fully. Even though I have done nothing to that site in over a year, it still gets crawled viciously.

Now, with this site I dont know why its taking longer. And its also a wierd indexing strategy, yahoo & msn was almost instant, infact yahoo was the fastest and indexes about 700~ pages, and msn indexes 312~. Who are now starting to catch up on google, though google is miles ahead in terms of referals.

Google indexes 2 pages(i know the site command is said to be inaccurate, but for some reason when I have 200 pages in google, keyword count jumps, so there is a relationship there), then it jumps the number of pages up, then down, up and down.

Im 3 months old, so i guess its a minimum of 1 max of 5? Most say its 4 to 6, others say 5 to 8, others say years.

So has anybody had the similar type of indexing with google?

Pierce

Google is like a hot blonde.


Fun to play with, hard to try to figure out, annoyingly dumb sometimes... but somehow we can't stop looking at it.

And understanding it reaps all the rewards you can enjoy

Pierce

Pierce

There is no such thing, confirmed by Google, as the "sandbox" per say. What you are experiencing is the culmination of a number of filters which give the effect of a sandbox. You should be aware of these filters individually therefore in order to know how to get high Google rankings. One of the filters you are up against is the "new site" or "trusted site" filter; this will downgrade your site's search returns for xx period depending on what search terms your site is after; this is the closest thing to the "sandbox" but it only one composite part of what SEOers call the sandbox. A second element is how many pages you have vs your trust factor. If you have a new site with competitive keyword targetting and too many pages, you will find yourself in a bottomless pit. Another element is called "duplicate content". There are many theories as to what this entails and it is evolving, so whatever is right today may not be right tomorrow. One of the givens though seems to be where the exact same text is used in the title, metas and heading. Another is where you get the same text in the title and meta description elements throughout large areas of the site; this may include partial text strings.

Ways past these filters (speeding up the process) are basically getting links from on subject pages on 3rd party sites. It is also very important to get links to different pages of your site, not just the index and main directory pages. It is also very important to realize Google especially very easily spot certain Spam links (forums, blogs) and purchased links. It is alos very important NOT to focus on single word search terms BUT multiple word terms related to the single term in the link text to your pages.

There are probably hundres of filters Google employs and also bear in mind the search returns you see from Google (say the top 10 which everyone is after) actually comprises of results from a number of different Google algos.

I still think "sandbox" is a good general term to gernalize the effect. Where time is money, do you really have the time to say "its a combination between, your age, the ammount of pages and the ammount of inbound links" ?

I know theres no thing as the SandBox, and most likely im suffering from the aging factor. And, nobody on the internet has a solution to this, or there not spilling the beans, not even in a book.

So, as you seem to be very knowlagable tell me where I stand.

My site is 3 months 1 week 3 days old.
It has 5600 pages (according to vbseo) growing by 40 to 80 a day.
I have 32 backlinks which have grown slowly.

I also had 160 pages in the index recently and in the 2 days it was in the index, the key-phase count exploded by about 20 over thoes 2 days.

Pierce

" So, as you seem to be very knowlagable tell me where I stand."

You ask too general a question.

"Where time is money, do you really have the time to say "its a combination between, your age, the ammount of pages and the ammount of inbound links" ?"

Just put the following meta tag in your html

<meta name="seo" content="beginner,wants everything now,does not listen">