Letting Adsense spider access private forums

[eJM]

I installed it. Then I monitored the bot activity on my Who's Online page. I had 2 Google Adsense Spider listed. I used my other forum account and a different browser to start hitting on several threads in one of the private forums. One of the spiders got a "No Permissions" error message when trying to access one of the same threads. See the attached image. That was taken just moments ago under the same circumstances. The other 2 spiders and the guest were accessing public pages.

Jim

[briansol]

Hello,
I'm done with Jim (eJM) and any information i ever gave him.

sorry if this effects you if you had the same question. This man is no longer worth my space on these forums.

Thank him for this dis-service.

[eJM]

Yes, the information available from Google is that the IP addresses are shared between their various bots (please don't ask where I saw it - I couldn't remember exactly because I read so much stuff trying to figure this out already).

Jim

[briansol]

Hello,
I'm done with Jim (eJM) and any information i ever gave him.

sorry if this effects you if you had the same question. This man is no longer worth my space on these forums.

Thank him for this dis-service.

[Notorious]

No matter, Notorious, that modification is black-hat SEO. There are no options to choose which spiders to give access to. Giving access to areas that unregistered visitors can't access is a violation of the Google Terms of Service. That mod gives access to private areas to any spider listed in the spiders_vbulletin.xml file. I have a modified version of that file too, so it would grant access to quite a few spiders.

If the author of that mod would provide better checks and options, it would be a good mod for those of us who want to follow the rules.

Jim

If you are concerned about google penalizing you for cloaking, just edit spiders_vbulletin.xml and remove 'googlebot' occurrence. Then googlebot will have similar permissions as guests.

[eJM]

If you are concerned about google penalizing you for cloaking, just edit spiders_vbulletin.xml and remove 'googlebot' occurrence. Then googlebot will have similar permissions as guests.

I can't be sure that other search engines don't have similar rules. I use a customized version of the spiders_vbulletin.xml file (vBulletin Spiders Directory (for updated spiders_vbulletin.xml files) - vBulletin Community Forum) and would not want to edit that file every time the spiders file was updated. It also would prevent me from monitoring the Google bot, which is not very appealing to me.

Jim

[eJM]

Hello,
I'm done with Jim (eJM) and any information i ever gave him.

sorry if this effects you if you had the same question. This man is no longer worth my space on these forums.

Thank him for this dis-service.

Wow, how childish. You edited all your posts to me in this topic and maybe others. I was in the middle of composing a PM for you to show that you misunderstood my comments about yours concerning the integration of Adsense and vBulletin that got you so riled up you were reprimanded by vB staff and then you decide to cancel 7 vB forums. All because you misunderstood.

No matter. You prob'ly have me blocked here and will not get my PMs. But this is a topic I started and would like to take the opportunity to explain here - to anyone else who might wonder what the hell got into you.

You used the vBulletin 3.8 Release discussion to bring to light some very serious issues with the new Adsense integration. I referred to it as Adsense/vBulletin conspiracy - meaning a conspiracy between the 2 of them - but apparently you took it to mean an accusation against you.

I thought this was an important issue, but was *angry* that you broke vBulletin policy to bring it up where you did. I thought this issue was so important that you shouldn't have risked it's discussion by throwing another discussion off-topic. I thought it was so important that it should have been brought up in the Managing your Community forum or the Chit Chat forum. It deserves its own space and the members of vBulletin and the forum owners should be able to discuss this issue thoroughly in its own thread.

Because you misunderstood my comments, or I fuddled them so bad it appeared I was being disrespectful or dismissive, you called me a name and suggested that our only interaction has always been at odds. You chose this (and I am sure others) topic to bring your anger to. Fine. It still shows my responses to you were nothing but respectful and very grateful for your support. You will be able to find a number of other examples of my appreciation for your support, not only to me, but the vBulletin/VbSEO communities as a whole, in my other comments in these topics:

Please review The Floor Pro Community ("Thank you for that. I worked..." "You're right. I hadn't checked..." "Right again. I don't know what I was thinking..." "Thanks to both of you for helping me make my site better.")

Why the vBulletin archive is useless and counterproductive ("...I hope you can guide us to the best ones, in your opinion." "Thanks, Brian, that helps a lot.")

Something ain't right after 2½ years with vBSEO ("Thank you for the guidance. I have made the changes you recommended." "Thanks for the help..." "Thanks for the help here. I appreciate it.")

The only thread I could find (not saying there are no others, but my search terms were "briansol" used in any of my posts - which would catch any quotes I made in replies to you) that we were actually at odds were in a discussion about the value of vBadvanced CMPS. vBadvanced CMPS, is it bad for SEO? In there, you assumed CMPS was a $50.00 product when it was actually free and that it was comparable to the ability to make individual pages with vBulletin, which I think is not a good comparison.

So, you attacked me because you misunderstood my complaint about taking a version release discussion off-topic. You say you are going to cancel all your vBulletin forums (switch to another forum product, I assume). And you accuse me of being a *jerk* every time you help me. Well, I don't know any better what to write my appreciation for all the help you have given me and countless others. I'm at a loss regarding this behavior you have resorted to.

Jim

[briansol]

At one point, it got bad enough that i made a public apology thread in the pre release team forum. it spawned a handful of replies agreeing with me, and ultimately your thread was removed from public view entirely.

The 2nd poster agrees with me and stated that they had also lost their temper due to being frustrated with your attitude.
I've blocked out their name because i don't want to bring anyone into this.... just making a point that i'm not the only one.


That's all i have to say about this matter. I'm done with it. And i'm done helping you. I'm not paid to do this, so i 100% chose not to any more.

bridge has been burned too many times

[eJM]

At one point, it got bad enough that i made a public apology thread in the pre release team forum. it spawned a handful of replies agreeing with me, and ultimately your thread was removed from public view entirely.

My thread? Like I said before, I am at a loss here. I didn't start any thread about this. You say you posted a public apology, but a private forum isn't public - I don't have access to any pre-release forum that I know of. You claim a handful of replies agree, but the evidence I have shown in my previous post shows I have given you nothing but respect here. In this very thread, in fact, I show you nothing but respect and gratitude. If you can show that I have been the *jerk* to you that you claim, please do so.

The 2nd poster agrees with me and stated that they had also lost their temper due to being frustrated with your attitude.
I've blocked out their name because i don't want to bring anyone into this.... just making a point that i'm not the only one.

I have no doubt I have *angered* a few people. I am quite sure we all have. I have very little patience for unprofessionalism, no matter where it comes from. It's no secret that I don't get along well with immaturity either - it's not the age, but the lack of maturity and common sense. I am too old and don't have enough time left in this life to change. You and I have not had that problem - until now.

...bridge has been burned too many times

Well, I hope you will at least take the time to show some of the ruins of these bridges. I couldn't find them. If I could and I was the *jerk* to you that you claim, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to apologize publicly. The reason I am so taken aback by all this is because, from what I could find of our interaction, we have gotten along just fine. Show me different, please. Show everyone that you haven't blown this completely out of proportion.

Jim

[eJM]

I am still clueless here. I just finished looking back as far as October 2006, viewing every single post I made to see if I ever had a cross word with Brian. Nothing. Not one single bone of contention except some minor differences about CMPS, which I mentioned - and that wasn't a harsh exchange at all either. I did see, however, where Brian has gone back as far as more than a year ago to edit quite a number of posts he made in reply to me to say he is done with me. Sad. I really hope someone here is concerned enough about you to dig deeper into this.

Jim

[briansol]

My apology was to the vbseo staff for acting up on their board, which is why i posted it in a semi-private area that only 'staff' have access to.
There's nothing more to dig deeper about.

I've wasted a ton of my time helping people for free when i could be making money doing something else with my time. I think it's about that time to start devoting my efforts where at least my wallet can appreciate it.

[eJM]

Well, I hope you understand my utter confusion when you accuse me of being a <<REMOVED>> every time you offer me support. I searched and searched because I really don't want any bad feelings. I looked here at vBSEO, over at vBulletin.com and .org and at a couple of other vB specific forums I participate on for any interaction you and I might have had. I found absolutely nothing that would give anyone the idea that either of us had issues with the other.

The only thing I can figger is that you may have me confused with someone else. I'm serious when I say I searched. I beg anyone to find anything that shows we have had words. I'm not looking for an apology. I only hope you find whatever it is that you're looking for. Don't go blaming me for any of your problems though.

For what it's worth, I always felt the help you provided me was top quality and have no doubt that it also helped many others. Until you spent so much time today deleting everything you said to me for the last year or more. I'm happy that much of it was left in the quotes I used in my replies. Maybe the time you spent today was kind of a waste.

Best r'gards to you,

Jim

[Joe Ward]

I'm sorry to hear that there was some kind of mis-communication and subsequent dispute here.

I'm going to close the thread, since the resolution process is probably not helpful to our users.

Brian - I just want to emphasize that your contributions here at not only hugely appreciated by the vBSEO staff, but by thousands of users who have reviewed your suggestions in your many helpful threads. So we certainly hope that you will continue to participate here.

Jim - I'm sorry to see that there was some confusion, but I'm glad to see that you are seeking resolution.