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Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

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Old 05-04-2006, 10:31 AM
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Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Is the SERP trouble webmasters are reporting after Google's Big Daddy Update a "Storage Crisis"?

Eric Schmidt (Google CEO) describes Google as having a storage or "machine crisis" basically noting that the machines are full.

Schwartz attributes the problems with the Big Daddy update as being related to:
  • inconsistent indexing/dropping of pages
  • slow or no crawling activity
  • old cached pages
  • dead 404 pages returned in the search results
  • irrelevant results
Notes on vBSEO:
  • Like other webmasters, vBSEO users often report fluctuations in their indexed pages and ranking for various keyword phrases. The Big Daddy update created a much higher volume of reports.
For Discussion
  • What has your Google Big Daddy Experience? Were you a spared by good fortune?
  • When changes with the search results (and problems) are a Google issue, webmasters should be careful not to be too reactive. That is, don't write off an SEO technique as invalid because you are not happy with the short-term results. SEO is a moving target - and the Google Big Daddy update is making hitting the mark an extremely difficult task. The winners will be those who tough it out.
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Google Results Suffering After "Big Daddy" Update?
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Old 05-04-2006, 01:44 PM
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Well that would explain why the indexed page count for The Staff Lounge has been fluctuating quite alot these past couple of days, almost as though Google couldn't quite decide which pages where actually live on my website O_o

I couldnt agree more with your last discussion point, SEO is often a game of waiting and patience, you cant be expected to make a slight change to the word order of your <title> to assign more weight to a important keyword and then expect to immediately have a more substanial ranking for that keyword.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

This would also explain why 13,000 of my pages were dropped yesterday. humm.. (I only had 14,000)
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Ok they know it's broke... now fix it. I am tired of waiting around for them.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

The good news is they indexed 58,000 pages of mine...

The bad news is the pages are over a year old and no longer exist.


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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

This is the main reason I haven't been able to really evaluate vBSEO's effectiveness although the few relevant pages that are in Google for my site are vBSEO'ed links and (at last) my previous archive has vanished completely due to the 301 redirects I set. vBSEO clearly works, now I'm ready for some massive indexing.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

While I am pleased that Google have acknowledged a problem, why can't they come out and say it on their own webpages - specifically in the sitemap help pages. Webmasters have known something was wrong for months now and despite all the conjecture and rumour, Google remained silent.

Question - how can a multi billion dollar company 'run out of server space'?

Question - when will this be put right?

My website has over 500,000 URLs, fully SEO'd, full sitemaps, submitted daily for 4 months now. How many indexed pages do we currently have? Approximately 250. Thats pathetic - but more than that, it is hurting my business. Some of my competitors have been left unaffected while we are suffering badly.

That said, thanks to the golden rules of web promotion, search engines are only a small part of our overall promotion strategy and we are still taking on 5 - 10 new members daily and are serving over 5 million pages monthly.

Think where we COULD have been though without Google dropping the ball.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

they have issues... for us they are showing pre vbseo print pages....
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

For a better take on the state of Google have a look at this more recent post of Matt Cutts.

Matt Cutts: Gadgets, Google, and SEO » Indexing timeline

Basically
  • too many reciprocal links from non related sources is bad
  • too many outbound links is bad
  • too many inbound links is bad
  • links from bad neighbourhoods is bad
  • too few links means that you dont get your pages indexed well
  • Google can crawl your pages, but then not include them in the index if it does not consider them worthy
  • Affiliate only pages, pages with duplicate content to other sites where say the text is the same across many sites - Google will probably choose to not index them even if it knows that they exist.
  • ...
A very full post, and well worth a good read.

Basically, your linking strat can make or break your site. Soo easy to get it wrong, so easy to do an overkill.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Does this relate to linkfarms? Is there specific guidelines on how to participate without violating some of the identified caveats?
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

As mentioned - Linking, absolutely essentual, yet real risky business.

My take on it all
- slowly and surely
- its not easy to get to the top of competitive phrases, and some ways you try may drop you places.
- single links from relevant websites will help - then comes the definition of what is a relevant page and relevant website.
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Sorry folks, as a user I am absolutely not interested in boffin talk. Most sites referring to (non-commercial) articles and books I used to find at Google were dropped from the index. Google used to be a fine search engine, but has changed into a dim reflection of its once proud self. Bye bye Google!
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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

Xenos: Let's hope a few billion in the bank is enough to restore their former greatness. I think they'll figure it out soon enough - but they might need to bring a creative non-tech into their research department to start moving in the right direction. I'm just not sure the recent announcement of co-op, desktop 4, trends, and notebook is going to do much for SERP quality...

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Re: Google Acknowledges Big Daddy Chaos - Barry Schwartz

I noticed a 50% drop in traffic from May 1 and we were lucky to get as close as page 5 on any related search. Before, we always had one or two entries on page one of any related search. The number of new members to the club has dropped noticeably.

At the moment we have 369,000 pages indexed with Google. I have just set up Google sitemaps (BETA) to see if that will help things along.

We are a non profit making club but I know from my visits to the Actinic ecommerce support site that there are many losing money over this issue.

I think part of the reason also is that Google does not like non related links from a web site, and we had an advertising campaign with the Click Group that put 5 text links at the bottom of each page. It gave us a revenue of £300 a month but I have now terminated that.

Google needs to realise that without us they would not exist and would not have 8 billion in the bank. There are other big search engines out there so we do not need them.

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firstrebel:

Are you using our sitemap generator:
http://www.vbseo.com/f44/vbseo-googl...in-3-0-x-2648/

Sounds like a great time to vBSEO-enable your forum.
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